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Okay, well, this was Thursday before they found the cows, right?

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Yes.

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Okay, it was about 8.30.

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I live at the bottom of Three Lakes Road, which is about one or two or three miles from the

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chaias.

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I was coming back from the store with my baby, and there's a gravel pit at the bottom of

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the hill just before I get to my house.

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And above the gravel pit, when I was coming up the road, I noticed something sitting on

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the hill, which was, at first, if I remember correctly.

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I should have reported this right away, but if I remember right, there was four lights,

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a little one on top, and a great big light.

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There weren't like headlights, there were like floodlights, and it was like two great

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big yellow ones and two great big white ones.

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Well, I pulled off the road and sat and watched it for about a half hour, and I got out and

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tried to hear if I could hear any sound.

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Okay, the lights went off, the big lights, and then this little light on top was just

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gone.

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And I, like I say, it was dark.

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I couldn't see any outline or anything, and I couldn't hear any noise.

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After about a half hour, I left.

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And so the next day, that's when I heard about this cow, while I thought it was kind of funny,

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because I had seen this thing the night before.

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And I just let it go, and then now they come out in the taper with this thing about it.

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And so I thought, you know, as far as I know, there is no roads up in there above that gravel

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pit, because I thought it might be a four-wheel drive truck.

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And as far as I know, there's no roads up in there.

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So either it was a truck or something was sitting on top of the hill, because I watched

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it for about a half hour.

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And there was other people on the main road down there that were going by me, but they

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didn't pull over.

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So I thought maybe somebody could go out and look at the area and check and see if there's

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any markings or anything there.

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Okay.

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Then all you saw was the lights then.

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Yeah, lights, that's it.

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I can't, that's lighting call, because it wasn't much.

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What I saw was the big lights and the little, tiny light on top.

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You could barely see it.

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After they shut the other ones off, and I got out and I couldn't hear any sound.

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But the thing that bothers me is that we've been living here about a year, and the main

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road, the next main road is up around the curve, I'd say about a quarter of a mile.

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And as far as I know, there is no roads up there.

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So, you know, we're either attracted in a four-wheel drive truck or something else.

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But it's a, it's that right on the hill above this gravel pit down here.

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And like I said, as far as I know, there's no roads up there.

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Okay.

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What color were those lights?

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So, well, there was two great big yellow ones and two great big white ones.

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And my memory is getting a little bit, you know, I try to remember it because I thought

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if I told somebody about it later, I should try to remember everything.

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And I said to her, I thought maybe it was a truck, I flashed my lights off and stuff

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like that, and they didn't do anything.

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But the little, there was a little tiny light on top.

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I couldn't tell you the color of it.

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It was probably white because it was real, real dim.

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I could hardly see it.

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And it was like it was going around and around.

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It was so dim, I could hardly see it.

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But I got out, there was no sound, you know, and I couldn't, it was dark.

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There was no outline.

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I couldn't see anything, just these lights.

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And they went off.

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So, that's why I say I feel kind of ridiculous calling, but I thought maybe it might help

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you if somebody went up there and checked.

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And I, we had in the paper where they checked the radiation where they found this cow.

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So I suppose I should have called, you know, sooner.

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Maybe if it was something, they might have done a trace of it left in the area then.

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Probably isn't now, but maybe you could check the area for, you know, markings or something.

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Okay, what time did you spot that?

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It was 8.30, because I remember I had to go to the store.

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My husband was coming home late from Vamerton, and I had to get to the safeway before they

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closed.

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And I sat there between 8.30 and 9.00 and watched it.

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Okay, would you be available for an interview?

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Oh, most certainly.

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In fact, like I say, I feel kind of ridiculous calling, but I'm kind of curious myself to

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see if, you know, maybe there is roads up there and it was a truck, but as far as I

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know, there isn't.

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So I'd be willing to cooperate.

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Okay, fine.

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Now, are you at home now?

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Yes, I am.

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Okay, will you be there in case somebody wants to get back to you right away?

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Certainly.

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Uh-huh.

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Yeah, I, the only place I think we might be out for an hour or two this evening, but

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that's it.

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Okay, great.

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I sure appreciate this call, Kathy, and we'll get back to you.

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Okay, thanks so much.

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Bye now.

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I think we have a landing.

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Really?

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Uh, he went out and investigated that particular one this morning, and he went to the area

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where she said it was, and he found an imprint and, uh, grass all squished down in an area.

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Also, pod marks the whole works in an accessible area by vehicle.

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Uh-huh.

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He's taken pictures.

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He wanted to take that cast or whatever, the whole thing, so, uh, I was talking to him.

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We got cut off and then I got back to him.

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But what he answered, so I don't know what he said to him.

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Oh, was he calling from work?

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Uh-huh.

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Was he at home?

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Yeah, he was at home.

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Oh.

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I had to call him.

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I had to call him.

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I had to call him.

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I had to call him.

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I had to call him.

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I had to call him.

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He was at home?

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Yeah, he was at home.

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I had to try to call him back and nobody answered.

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Huh.

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So, looks pretty good.

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Did he get pictures?

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He said he got pictures and everything.

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Uh, I've got to get with him and see what a nice step is here.

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I don't know.

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I should get the facility sandpush for radiation.

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Yeah.

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Of course it's old, you know.

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Yeah.

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Well, he was doing that.

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I was out on another mediation.

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We have a dog this time.

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Doberman Pinscher.

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About a year old.

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The animal was cut in two to sever a completely beautiful cut.

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The hind legs and the back part were missing from the seam.

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The chest cavity was cut open.

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And the left to clean the intestines were stacked in a little pile, two feet from the carcass.

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The heart delivering long-term missing from the seam.

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I'm a big dad.

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This was observed, a vehicle joined by a resident with Doberman walking alongside on a leash.

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They were going about two or three, four miles an hour.

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They went up the road.

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They came back down the road.

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They had the dogs.

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They were only up there 15 minutes.

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It's that long.

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So they did to all this 15 minutes.

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No light numbers.

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Just the description of the vehicle.

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There was two people in it.

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No description of it.

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Huh.

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What, they may have a female in the car.

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They, she don't know.

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They never, you know, that they had big hands and were on the steering wheel.

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One of them, you know, apparently holds them on the leash.

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One of them passed, and her side was very small.

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That occurred the 18th of March.

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And between 4.30 and 5.00, they called the sheriff's department.

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Nobody came out.

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They waited a few days.

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They buried the dog.

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I talked to the farmer this morning.

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He said it was really something just cleaner than a whistle.

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No blood around the animal or underneath the door in the area at all.

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They feel it was the same dog that was running next to the car.

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Right.

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Because the car came back down after housing him 15 minutes later and there was no dog.

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That's what got him suspicious.

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He called the neighbor boy over to go up there and look, see what happens to the dogs.

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And he come running back saying it's been all cut up.

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And when the husband got home a little while later, they walked up and looked at it.

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This happened right on the road.

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Just off to the sign.

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She does not recall any other car passing between that sign.

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The other one is a truck driver.

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The truck driver is about one mile up from the UFO landing site on the same road and about two miles down the Pilchuck River from the mutilation channel.

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All in the general area.

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I just want to bring him to date.

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I don't know what exactly to do on this landing thing.

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That's exactly what it is.

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There's no doubt about it.

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If you could hold him.

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You going to be home this evening?

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Yeah.

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I'll get back to you later and see if you could hold him and see if we can arrange another, get together with all of us to go back up there.

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I'd like to get all the pictures.

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Did he get any measurements?

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He said he didn't have a little bit of a technique on this.

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I had everything we needed.

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On my stuff and I was only up the street away.

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However, when I went and got to it in the mutilation and went looking for him, I couldn't locate him.

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He apparently came back before I did.

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So I had to wait until I got home and then call him.

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I wish you could get some soil samples too.

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Yeah, maybe everything.

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I'll check back with you later and see if he's called you or you got a hold of him.

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Okay, I'll keep trying here.

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Okay, Jerry.

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Bye.

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I went out on a sighting this morning and I went up on the hill.

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I taped an interview with her, her basic one, the 20 minutes.

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I was wondering about that whole thing.

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Then we went out on the road to see where she had looked up the hill to see the lights.

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There were two yellow lights, large, two white lights, also large,

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lower than the yellow lights and off on the outside of the yellow lights, lower.

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Then there was a dim white revolving light above them.

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I went to the location she threw it at.

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Then we went up on the hill where it had been and she kept steering me off to the side

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saying no, it was further over so I kept going further over.

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On the edge of the hill, way back from the beaten path,

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they do have looked like parties and stuff up on the hill on the Friday Saturday night.

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But quite a few yards away from there, I found a square depression about 18 by 18.

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I didn't have my ruler so I couldn't measure it.

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But I found this square depression about five inches deep, 18 by 18.

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The stuff that was in it in the grass was pushed down.

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On two top corners, I found very distinct, slightly angled holes about four by four,

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about five inches deep.

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One of them especially was very clear.

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It had a creed in the middle of the bottom of the hall running across the square hall.

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There was evidence of one other hole and I couldn't find the fourth one at the other corner.

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I didn't disturb the area too much either, two inches from the drop down to the bottom of the hill.

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So we have a depression plus holes.

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Okay, now you were talking to Jerry about that this morning.

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Yeah, I just talked to him about it too.

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Getting pretty late today, I wonder if we could get back up there tomorrow.

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Yeah, we were both asking if you'd care to come up, if you would.

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We'd like to go up there very early in the morning because both of those are things we'd like to do in the afternoon,

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which I know I have to do or otherwise my wife will kill me.

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Okay, you named the time.

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Yeah, I'd like you to look at it. You've got more experience than I do on those.

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It just looks odd, but I may be all wrong, but it does look odd.

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The location is odd.

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It's off a beaten path.

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And the reporter kept steering me off to that side and said,

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No, it's further over to the side.

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Uh-huh.

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And so I kept going further over and that's what I found.

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So she feels that's just about where it was?

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Right.

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Okay.

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Yes, I walked off into the area and she said it's around there,

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so I looked around and dragged in front of me right at the edge.

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And it's a small area.

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The weeds, bushes, grambles, everything around have not been just there.

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So I know that, and plus it's too steep for a truck to go down there,

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plus it's right on the edge of the drop.

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Uh-huh.

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And just in this area,

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in the depression itself this stuff was flattened and the two distinct holes,

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well, three distinct holes, one of them especially is very distinct,

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especially with that creek in the middle of it, down at the bottom of the hole.

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Yeah.

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Okay.

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In the depression there's an animal hole like a doper or something like that.

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I put my hand down there, it almost bit me.

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But I think it's coincidental.

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It doesn't look like it's an animal square.

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I don't know how an animal could dig out a square hole,

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plus flat side it was slightly curved at the bottom of the hole.

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Something was sitting in there.

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Uh-huh.

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And I suppose it would take quite a bit of weight to make that kind of an impression.

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Uh, yeah.

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Well, this hole is a little loose.

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It takes more weight than I have to go that far down.

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Yeah.

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It's as far as I'm not muddy because it hasn't really been disturbed in the area,

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but I'm not talking about...

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I can probably calculate it, but I have to get more information.

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Okay.

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Okay, then we'll meet at Jerry's at 8 in the morning.

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Okay.

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And you're going to phone him and let him know.

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Right now.

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Very good, thank you.

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See you then.

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Bye-bye.

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Bye.